Posted by
Jason on Monday, February 18, 2008 12:58:32 PM
Just so you know what we're dealing with here, I thought I might share a reader's comment with me about Baghdad's per capita murder rate being less than Detroit, Michigan. "mdking" writes:
JLG, you are manipulating facts to suit your ideology! Just muster the humility for one brief moment to think that you might be wrong. You say, “That’s a murder rate that is comparable to some major American cities.”
That’s a murder rate comparable to NO American city. 5 dead a day times one year equals 1825.
New York had less than 500 murders in 2007. The LAPD reported 379 people had been killed in Los Angeles as of December 15, 2007.
You are either making your numbers up or quoting Fox News (which has said what you say). In either scenario, your powers of reason have no place in responsible debate.
"mdking" is obviously having trouble with the "PER CAPITA" part, so let's stick with the Detroit example. Per capita refers to the number of murders per person living in a city. Baghdad has a population of about 7,000,000 people. Detroit has 900,000. So of course, Detroit has lower absolute crime rates. That’s like saying there is less crime in Boise, Idaho than in New York City. Thank you Captain Obvious!
The question is “PER CAPITA,” or how many murders are there PER PERSON in the city? That’s not "manipulating facts," as "mdking" charges. It’s just how adults compare crime in cities that are vastly different in size.
At five per day, Bagdad would have (as "mdking" correctly calculated) 1,825 murders in a year. PER CAPITA, that's one murder for every 3,835 citizens.
Now Detroit (again only about 1/7 the population of Baghdad) had 354 murders in 2006. PER CAPITA, that’s one murder for only every 2,542 citizens or about out 1/3 higher than that of Baghdad.
"mdking" accused me of making up numbers and told me, "your powers of reason have no place in responsible debate." Again, Liberals love to proclaim victory and try to silence their opponents before they've made a coherent argument. It helps mask the fact that they have no clue what they're talking about.
But I’m not making anything up. The new York Times quoted five murders per day in Baghdad (and Reuters now is reporting only four per day) and city populations and crime rates are public record. Maybe "mdking" could try a little research before accusing me “making up [my] numbers.” Ever use a Google search?
Again... not enough integrity to admit that our troops are doing great work on behalf of this country and not enough intellect to even explain their argument (other than quoting MoveOn.org).
Ignorance has "no place in responsible debate" either, "mdking," though it certainly does make for a good laugh...
UPDATE: 2/18/08 1:01 p.m.: Here is "mdking's" compelling response:
JLG, big fat lying liars like you (who are hung like cocktail franks, according to your mother) make better orators than writers. See, writing can be easily verified; whereas, with speaking, it’s difficult to track down sound bites. You should totally podcast your bull [explitive] sans transcript that way you can get away with the prevaricating.
Just because you say (or misspell) PER CAPITA a half dozen times after the fact, doesn’t clear you of being full of [expletive] out of the gate.
Podcast, dude. Do it.
Please note he does not respond to any facts (except that I misspelled "per capita" one time), but instead just calls me names. You check and see if I'm changing anything "after the fact."
Typical...